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adelong2015 · Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 5

i am on the side that Rome should attack Carthage. i think we did very well today and got our points across. we listened to one another and to the other team which helped us respond. we used our resources and our time wisely. one thing i think we should talk about is that Rome should be the courageous ones and not hold back. Also you only live once so it is better to fight for what you want and not hold back or wait. Smile

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wkwiatkowski · Joined: 16 Oct 2011 Posts: 5

I was on team don't attack carthage

What was the strongest argument your team made?
I thought that our best argument was that after the first two wars we'd exhausted all of our military strength and power. And also that we were running out of supplies for our ships.

What was the best argument you DIDN'T make?
I meant to say (but forgot) during the debate that Carthage may have already rebuilt themselves, even though the other team thinks they haven't, so if we were to have left Rome, they might attack us too while were gone.

*What was the most compelling argument that the other team made?
I loved when they said "We are romans. We got skills" (or something like it i can't remember perfectly).

What was the great argument that they DIDN'T make?
I think that they should have said something along the lines of "it's either now or never, might as well"

What did we do well in our debate? What could we use to work on? What are some ideas/suggestions/goals for our next debate?
This may be a little far from the point, but maybe there should be a winner and a loser. Maybe the winner gets less homework. I think it'd be fun to see how motivation affects everyone.
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wkwiatkowski · Joined: 16 Oct 2011 Posts: 5

I was on team don't attack carthage

What was the strongest argument your team made?
I thought that our best argument was that after the first two wars we'd exhausted all of our military strength and power. And also that we were running out of supplies for our ships.

What was the best argument you DIDN'T make?
I meant to say (but forgot) during the debate that Carthage may have already rebuilt themselves, even though the other team thinks they haven't, so if we were to have left Rome, they might attack us too while were gone.

*What was the most compelling argument that the other team made?
I loved when they said "We are romans. We got skills" (or something like it i can't remember perfectly).

What was the great argument that they DIDN'T make?
I think that they should have said something along the lines of "it's either now or never, might as well"

What did we do well in our debate? What could we use to work on? What are some ideas/suggestions/goals for our next debate?
This may be a little far from the point, but maybe there should be a winner and a loser. Maybe the winner gets less homework. I think it'd be fun to see how motivation affects everyone.
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jjessica231 · Joined: 25 Oct 2011 Posts: 4

What was the strongest argument your team made? What was the best argument you DIDN'T make?
I think that the strongest argument our group made was the carthage no longer has any resources that Rome needs, so we should not make war with them any more.

What did we do well in our debate? What could we use to work on? What are some ideas/suggestions/goals for our next debate?
I think that our group had some good points, but i think we needed to be a little more organized (personally i think i needed a little more time to be prepared) and have more time to do the debate. Some suggestions for our next debate would be to have some more time to prepare for the debate.

iharmon · Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 7

What was the strongest argument your team made? What was the best argument you DIDN'T make?

An argument we used that was convincing was "Carthage is a potential threat and will end us if we are not careful." One argument I believe might have been touched on but not really convincingly argued was the argument "If not destroy them now, Carthage will not only have time to gather up their strength but ask for others as well". This argument is suggesting that Carthage would take advantage of Rome's kindness and ask other enemies to join them in their fight against Rome.

What was the most compelling argument that the other team made? What was the great argument that they DIDN'T make?

The most compelling question the opposite team asked was the "Are you trying to take over Rome's government by sending out all our troops?" I had no idea how to answer this so I tried my best but I wish I would have more time to prepare my answer. one argument the team did not bring up at all was the moral effect on the surrounding world. Maybe other city states would become angry if we decided to kill Carthage's woman and children.

What did we do well in our debate? What could we use to work on? What are some ideas/suggestions/goals for our next debate?

In our debate we did a nice job of being respectful to the opposite team. there were less than two occasions when one teammate would interrupt an opponent or teammate. I also believe we were good at rebounding the opponent's questions quickly and coming up with counter arguments. However, i do believe both teams could have done a better job at creating more stable arguments and having solid proof to back those arguments up. Next debate I think we should somehow have contact with each other in different ways then in Google documents because that did not work at all. Also it would have been far more effective to be given a little more time in and outside the debate to obtain solid evidence.

molson2015 · Joined: 16 Oct 2011 Posts: 4

I was on the team that didn't want to destroy Carthage.
What was the strongest argument your team made? What was the best argument you DIDN'T make?
I think our strongest argument that out team made was that if we focused all of our military and energy towards fighting Carthage (when we didn't need to and we didn't need to use any more recourses), it makes Rome more vulnerable. I think one point that we didn't bring up was that wed don't know if Carthage rebuilt themselves or not.

What was the most compelling argument that the other team made? What was the great argument that they DIDN'T make?
They made a good argument that Mars wouldn't be proud if Rome held back and didn't assert themselves.They didn't really talk that much about the fact that Carthage could be a threat to Rome.

What did we do well in our debate? What could we use to work on? What are some ideas/suggestions/goals for our next debate?

We definitely needed to be more organized and part of that I think is that it can be hard to work on something at home, separately. Also I was a little bit confused about the Punic wars until last night and today, which is when we had the date. So it was a little difficult just because we didn't have that much time to learn and think about the topic.

pnowak2014 · Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 7

I was one the team that said, “Yes, destroy Carthage”
What was the strongest argument your team made? What was the best argument you DIDN'T make?
The strongest argument our team made was that if we don’t destroy Carthage now, Carthage would destroy us later. Also I think that the argument we should not act like cowards, but like Romans, was strong as well. I think that we did not make the argument clear that we will have to fight the Carthaginians eventually and that destroying them now would be the easiest and cheapest way.
What was the most compelling argument that the other team made? What was the great argument that they DIDN'T make?
The best argument that the other team made was that Rome is already weekend and that we can’t afford another war. The best argument that they didn’t make was that we have already tried to destroy Carthage after the 2nd Punic war, and that now they are strong again, so destroying them again would just be a waste of time.
What did we do well in our debate? What could we use to work on? What are some ideas/suggestions/goals for our next debate?
What went well in our debate is that we remained respectful and we all stayed on topic. I think that it would have been better if we had more time to debate. There wasn’t really enough time to finish our debate.

wcosinuke2015 · Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 6

I think that we should have used our first five minutes more wisely. I think we had a good opening statement. For me it is hard to explain things so I had trouble getting my point across efficiently as a team I think we should think of arguments the other team will say and figure out ways to answer them. A good argument that was made by my team was that we must fight because we are related to mars. I think a good argument from the other team was that Carthage was not a threat to Rome, but they needed more proof. Razz

wcosinuke2015 · Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 6

i think that the best arguement that the oposing team didnt make is: distroying carthage again after the second punic war would be a wast of time, and money, and the lives of roman people.

mlabelle · Joined: 16 Oct 2011 Posts: 6

I was on the side that believed we should not destroy Carthage.

What was the strongest argument your team made? What was the best argument you DIDN'T make?

The strongest argument our team made was that if Rome went to fight Carthage we would be vulnerable to other attacks. This argument made the other team have to think because it was something that wasn't really covered by any reading we did. I think the best argument we didn't make was the fact that Carthage was very weak. As a group we started to phrase the idea but never fully said it.

What was the most compelling argument that the other team made?

What was the great argument that they DIDN'T make?
I think the other teams best argument was the fact that Carthage could eventually rebuild and attack Rome. I think the best argument they didn't make was that Carthage was that Carthage was beginning to start trading again.

* What did we do well in our debate? What could we use to work on?

What are some ideas/suggestions/goals for our next debate?
We timed our opening statements correctly and had just about the right amount of stuff to fit into the time limit. I think we should definitely have more time to prepare, maybe even just an extra night. It was difficult to get all of the group together to work at a certain time

wcosinuke2015 · Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 6

in reply to wills argument that if rome attacked carthage some of carthages military could come attack rome, rome had the other citys of italy that would protect themif the people of carthage did attack them.

iharmon · Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 7

To will
That argument "it's either now or never, might as well" might work but is highly ineffective. Romans main reason to destroy Carthage was that it s a potential threat and it must be destroyed. Not however an "might as well" situation.

mlabelle · Joined: 16 Oct 2011 Posts: 6

slanda · Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 4

Hi! So i was on the kill Carthage side. I think that the strongest argument that we made was the "we're Rome, we kill who ever we want!" Although, the best argument that we didn't make was that we still have the Campagna around us to help out in case of trouble. I think that the most compelling argument that the other team made was "Carthage doesn't have any resources that Rome needs." I think that that a great point that the other team should have made, was that... I’m not so sure Confused

I think that we didn't get as sidetracked as i thought we would. I think that we needed to improve on listening/paying attention to others while they were making their points. I think that for our next debate, we should have more time to prepare, and have someone who already has Google docs installed be the one to manage it.

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okeppler2015 · Joined: 19 Oct 2011 Posts: 4

Hi. I was on Team Don'tAttackCarthage.

What was the strongest argument your team made?
I think that the strongest argument that my team made was that since Carthage was completely destroyed at the end of the second punic war, it was not necessary for Rome to waste resources on destroying it further.

What was the best argument you DIDN'T make?
I think that we didn't really address clearly whether or not Carthage was going to rebuild themselves, and I think we should have come up with an alternative.

*What was the most compelling argument that the other team made?
I think their best argument was when they mentioned the how characteristics of the various Gods they are descended from would influence the decision.

What was the great argument that they DIDN'T make?
I think that the other team should have addressed the fact that ending Carthage for good would prevent future warring with them.

What did we do well in our debate? What could we use to work on? What are some ideas/suggestions/goals for our next debate?
I think we could adress a topic from more than two sides, we could address issues from the opinion of three different parties. We did that in food and culture and it was both easier to work in smaller groups and interesting to see more views expressed.

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