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theAdamtheMaxwell



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:16 pm    Post subject: post jan 26th Reply with quote

Discuss in the online Forum: Which forces do you think are moving China into the 21st Century? Identify those that are traditional and those that are modern. Has the Chinese government changed its view of responsibility to its citizens? What is more important, industrialization or the security of China's citizens?
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theAdamtheMaxwell



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from my astrophyisicle perspective time and gravity are what are mooving china into the 21st centurary but i feel like for this class that is an insufficant awnser. a traditional force thqt is bringing china into the 21st centurary is the centralized govenment determined to modernize the nation, . they will do this by anymeans neccisary like relocating 1.4 million people for the 3 georges dam. another traditional force is the great population china posses with that many people they have the ability to become a strong economic superpower. and also potentially be burdened by the need to sustain the population. a third traditional force is its atheist cultral values which make them a very practicle and cohisive group.
a modern force is a gigantic population that are educated by western origionated science and technology. a second is globalazation western companyes putting foundations in china have helped it economicly and cultrally grow. a third is the booming internet, inevitably increased transparency and public participation in politicle life.
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lloreti



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that the most important forces moving China into the 21st century are once again foreigners. China has emerged as a world superpower, and with that title comes a lot of pressure from the developed world on how to act. China still has awful Human rights, and unless they step it up, the rest of the world is going to become less and less cooperative. And they don't seem to be changing their ways very quickly. Just as they displaced over a million people for the Three Gorges Dam project, they relocated thousands more for the 2008 Olympics. As the world's second largest economy, China no longer needs these humongous projects to show off. Industrialization and Human rights aren't exclusive, China could easily continue to modernize while improving the lives of its citizens and easing up with the censorship.
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lizzieyang



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Partially agreeing with what Adam said, I think the main force that had led China into the 21st century is the mankind. Massive population and the skills each of the them have accumulated over the years have led China into what it is now. As from the situation with the Three Gorges Dam, the South-North Water Diversion Project, and the 2008 Summer Olympics, the number of ordinary citizens who had gotten involved are basically unimaginable. Economists, engineers, technologists, geographers, planners, and other work forces all got involved to impress foreign countries. Personally, I cannot hide my astonishment seeing Beijing Olympics' opening and closing ceremonies. To gather that many people at one place (also imagining how much work they have done just for those ceremonies all together) truly demonstrates the power China has that no other countries in the world has so far. Of course, inhumanity is hidden under all this. Still, wouldn't "man force" can seem a privillege and a pros China has?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that both the Chinese themselves and foreign powers are moving China into the 21st century. Although there were many reforms since the cultural revolution, China still has a long way to go despite being a world power. In his most recent visit, Hu Jintao admitted that there will be a long journey for China in human rights. The more recent "Scientific Theory" of Hu Jintao has definitely had both pros and cons from the extensive projects. Many people have been displaced from the construction of the Three Gorges Dam and the 2008 Beijing Olympics Stadium as a result, but the spectacular shows of the Olympics put the spotlight back onto China. As a result it seems that both the domestic power and the foreign powers are pushing this world power further along into the rise of the 21st century.
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Aundré Bumgardner



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: Rebuttal Reply with quote

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To gather that many people at one place (also imagining how much work they have done just for those ceremonies all together) truly demonstrates the power China has that no other countries in the world has so far.

I disagree with you Lizzie.
I full heartedly agree with the Adam Maxwell.

China wasn't the first nation to assemble such a spectacle of people. In fact, China did not sustain economic growth following the Olympics. Although thousands beyond thousands of jobs were created during the construction of the bird’s nest and Olympic facilities, many of those building sit stranded and unused. As Luke "Gen. Macarthur" Loreti said, many people were displaced due to the construction of these mega building in and around Beijing.

This brings me to my crucial point. China will be successful only if it practices sustainable initiatives (such as finding cleaner ways to use coal, better treatment of it's water systems, and most treat its citizens with dignity.) The nation will not be taken seriously if they play with inflation and violate human rights on a regular basis.

We need to realize China is not interested in the rights of their people. The government is willing to bargain China's people for Industrialization.
I'd argue the Olympics did not put China back on the world radar. If anything, the legitimacy of hosting the Olympics put them on a pedestal of scrutiny. People are more than aware of the capability of China's people, their ambitions, and their power. However, without China participating in Global citizenry, increased transparency (as Adam Maxwell said), they will not be looked at as a model for the rest of the world.
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Julia Lee



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Modern China Reply with quote

In my opinion, both foreign power and domestic power in China led China to develop as one of the strongest countries. When CHina let foreign countries to enter China and start trading with each other, China was able to export a lot of goods and was also able to develop as one of the countries with biggest trade relationship. On the other hand, China being the atheist country actually helped its citizens to get together and be cohesive like how Adam phrased it. However, looking at the project of building Three Gorge Dam and 2008 Olympic where a lot of people were replaced, China still needs to work on alot of stuff regarding human rights. If China sort this problem out by giving more respect to its citizens, then China would become one of the most powerful country of all.
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