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lchristakis2013
Joined: 27 Nov 2011 Posts: 5
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: Israel and the British Mandate |
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I think that Britain was motivated to help create a new Arab state purely to pull the rug out from under the Ottomans, who controlled the Arabian peninsula at the time and was at war with Britain as well. I think that they wanted to interrupt the geographic layout of the Ottoman empire, since if the Arabian peninsula withdrew from their empire, it would essentially be cut in half. This would ruin their supply lines, which would make them easier to defeat in Europe.
I'm not sure what was in it for them to create Israel. I have heard people say a few times that the western powers felt bad for the Jews after the holocaust and so they wanted to give the survivors a new home, but I have no idea whether that is accurate. Does anybody know? |
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mpookayaporn2013
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Weren't the Arabs also wanted to live there as well as the Jews? Then they caused intense fights whether who suppose to be living there? I mean if the British wanted to give a new home for the Jews, why were the Arabs there or why in Israel? (I'm just wondering ) |
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asmith
Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the jewish just maybe simply wanted a place for their own since their religion was concidered somewhat of a minority during the ottoman empire. Christains and Jewish were not concidered equal as Muslims, so maybe the british were trying to support the jewish culture in the area more. |
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zatkins-weltman
Joined: 26 Nov 2011 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: Sorry for the Long response, I had a lot to say |
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In response to Lysander, I believe you are correct in that the western powers wanted to give the Jews a home. But I think in answering this I should Answer Ming's question at the same time which was "Why in Israel?" Now I think that is a very interesting question and needs more examining than I can possibly give, but my basic recollection is that none of the western powers wanted the jews. The Nazi's weren't the only anti-semites, but the western powers did feel bad for the jews and wanted to give them a home. What I find silly is that they didn't give them land in Germany since the Germans did lose. But in a closer response to the question, I think the Jews were really intent on israel since it was considered "The Holy Land." Also, looking back on World War One, when the winners took everything from the losers (Germany) the Market crashed and a second world war eventually broke out and they didn't want this to happen again so they went for a different approach that didn't take away from Germany, but appeased to the Jews who had lost so much. I also don't agree with you Allie (Unless I misunderstood what you were saying, which is quite possible), I don't think there was much of a Jewish culture in the Middle East at the time so I don't think the British were supporting a Jewish movement their because of them being minorities, i just think they wanted the Jews to have a place since they had lost so much and just didn't want the Jews in "their" country. And back to what you Originally said Lysander about just wanting to pull the rug out from under the Ottomans: I think that the British were motivated in making these nations for other reasons too. I think the Middle East had good resources and a very beneficial trade route with India and other places that Britain had control of, so making these Nations and making them happy would give the British access. If the British had control of the countries, they had automatic access for the time until independence or revolution. if they make the nations and have good relations with the nations, then they have access to all these resources and trade routes until relations go bad and thats what I think motivated them. |
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mijiawang
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I noticed the language in The McMahon Letter: "it is understood that the Arabs have decided to seek the advice and guidance of GB only." I think this is a sign that GB wanted to interfere the Arabian politics and sought for predominance in the area.
Also I agree with Zachary that Great Britain considered the Middle East very useful because of its resource and its location (at the middle of the trading route to Asia), so GB would like to get into good relationship with the Arabs. But i'm not sure about why they supported the Jews. |
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Sam Gorple
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Mijia and Lysander, that Britain wanted to take some of the land from the Ottomans and make them easier to defeat, but I also think that they wanted to kind of take over from where the Ottomans left off; once the war was over Britain would have this nice little country in the Middle East that they could semi-control, and could potentially expand if they needed. They were probably risking a whole lot, considering the sykes-picot treaty (if it still applied, I don't really know) said that you could not cede any rights to a third power unless both countries agreed, and it doesn't really sound like France did. It seems like a classic imperialistic, upset-the-balance-of-power thing to me. |
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Adrian
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I agree with Zachary that although it was beneficial for Britain to undermine the Ottomans and disrupt their power structure, the area in which the Ottomans occupied shouldn't be ignored. Also at this point Saudi Arabia hadn't been unified and would have been very easy for Britain to colonize if they were looking to expand to the south since the french took the north. In terms of Israel I think the overriding opinion was that the Jews needed there own country and it wasn't working out for them to be in europe. |
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shorenstein2013
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In response to Ming, Israel had been inhabited by Arabs for quite some time and they gave the mandate to the Jews because the Jews like rothchild had already started buying up all the land by then. The Jews also thought that the region of Israel was rightfully theirs because they occupied it thousands of years and "it was promised by god." The Arabs wanted it because it was promised by god to them also and same with the christians. That is why it is such a coveted are of land. I'm not fully sure why the British gave the land to the jews though. Maybe it is because the jews like rothchild were more powerful than the muslims and that the jews could hurt the British financially. |
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Eric von Hippel
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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in response to the last post. i don't think it was because they could hurt them financially and that the Jews were powerful because at the time they were just the opposite, they were refugees. i think it was more of a problem where displaced peoples are flooding your borders and you don't want them there so what do you do, make them their own place to live in an area you control.
how has Israel been able to stay together so long with all the different groups within the Jewish population and the outside groups like the palistinies. |
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touristmaniac
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Israel
Israel, officially the State of Israel is a parliamentary republic in the Middle East, along the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east, Egypt and the Gaza Strip on the southwest, and the Gulf of Aqaba in the Red Sea to the south, and it contains geographically diverse features within its relatively small area. Israel is defined as a Jewish and Democratic State in its Basic Laws and is the world's only Jewish-majority state. |
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