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abhatia · Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 37

What role did the Feme play in an increasingly chaotic, German society?

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kscrimshawhall12 · Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 6

In a time that was already turbulent, Feme caused even more political unrest in Germany. Members of General Wrangel's Messmates ( a group of young men who didn't agree with the government) began to act out violently. The murder of important political figures, Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg by these men was shocking and hard on the country. By attacking leaders, they were getting to the root of what they saw as a flawed government. When an economic depression hit Germany again, this gave Feme members a chance to become more violent in the streets because of lessened security.

echalmers2012 · Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 7

What role did the Feme play in an increasingly chaotic, German society?

Agreeing with what Kate said, the Feme's role within German society was that of more chaos, violence, and dehumanization. I think the feme also represented the breakdown of the govt.'s ability to be just, as we read about the incredibly bias judiciary system. This absence of justice from the german courts, and the continued assassinations of important political figures could only serve to instill fear, distrust, and political unrest into the German civilians. I'd say the violence and prevalence of the feme gave leaders, like Adolf hitler, the support and validation for other more violent and cruel acts of injustice.

knaide · Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 6 Location: United States

The Feme groups played the major role in forming the Nazi part and movement, like it said on pages 100-101 that the Nazi party attracted violent young men, namely those in Feme groups. The various Feme actions helped push the blame on both particular individuals, and some of the people they put on “hit lists” for supporting the treaty and trying to implement the treaty happened to be Jewish, which probably began the hate of all Jewish people by the Nazi party.
The groups also really narrowed what could be considered Justice in terms of punishment and murder of officials who did not hold the same beliefs or ideals of the feme groups. Those on the extreme right, like the feme groups, suffered far less severe punishments than leftist radicals for similar, or even more violent, acts in name of their movement.

msingh2012 · Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 7 Location: United States

I completely agree with Kate and Ellery to the fact that the Feme only created violence in the German Republic. This movement took its name from the Vehemic courts back in the middle ages that held secret meetings. This "fraternity" was founded because some people believed that the government was corrupt and unjust.
And for this reason the Vehemic Court has returned as a similar state as Feme and those involved in this secret organization has caused terrible chaos to the government. Like the assassinations of political leaders.
We talked about Walter Rathenau and his importance to the Germany community, but he was killed by possibly the Feme who believed that he would corrupt the government rather than sustain it.
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zozomp · Joined: 03 Apr 2012 Posts: 5

As we discussed before, Germany was in chaos. There was violence and corruption, but the many seperate political parties were not outright violent. Feme was among the political parties that created "political violence". A culture based off of, "breakdown of human values and legal objectivity" (93). They were a group that acted on the ideas that they could make better laws, better judgments ect and they then carried these out. THey killed so many people that Emil Julius Gumbel wrote about the groups crimes as the, "Feme crimes". As Kate expressed the assasination of the two head figures of opposing worker gorups pushed Germany farther into chaos. Breaking down some of the last legal barriers that could keep political groups from doing whatever they wanted.

dkim2012 · Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 9

Feme is basically formed when Germany was in chaos and suffered mass economic crisis. Feme group thought that the reason why Germany was suffering through this whole crisis is that government was corrupted and had no ability to manage what they needed to fix. Feme group's movement can be considered as a revolt against useless government.
As an example, Feme group assasinated important political figures who were Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg. By killing them, they wanted to

Maddy King · Joined: 28 Mar 2012 Posts: 9

What role did the Feme play in an increasingly chaotic, German society?

Basically what everyone has said... Germany was already chaotic and the Feme heightened the fear and violence. The 3 phases of political violence, 1. murders and assaults, 2. attacks that followed closely to the suppression of the revolutions, and 3. assaults planned in cold blood. The 3 phases alone are terrifying and just adding to the uprising that was already occurring in Germany at that time. Also, the murders of important political figures led to further unrest and political turmoil.

fbeaubrun2012 · Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 9

As others have stated and what the reading said, the Feme was based off of a secret fraternity from the middle ages that sought to dismantle a government that they saw to be corrupt or not the right way, and in thinking that way, they also believed that their way was the "correct and "true" way. They were responsible for a great multitude of things that had strong influence. They had hunted the spartacist leaders Karl Liebknecht and Rose Luxembourg. They focused on targeting strong political leaders so that when their supporters no longer had them(because they were dead) the Feme could gain their support. They were incredibly influential because the had a goal, knew exactly what the wanted and did not hesitate to carry out their demands.

Evan · Joined: 02 Apr 2012 Posts: 5

Coming on the forums latter really leaves you in the position where everything you would/ could say has been said. How couldn't a secret middle age fraternity of assassins strike fear into the hearts of the german people?( I recognize that the Feme were "bassed" off aforementioned fraternity) and by going after such public figures really kept their groups actions out of the shadows, and in the living room of the german people.

Evan · Joined: 02 Apr 2012 Posts: 5

Coming on the forums latter really leaves you in the position where everything you would/ could say has been said. How couldn't a secret middle age fraternity of assassins strike fear into the hearts of the german people?( I recognize that the Feme were "bassed" off aforementioned fraternity) and by going after such public figures really kept their groups actions out of the shadows, and in the living room of the german people.

mikaelajoyce · Joined: 28 Mar 2012 Posts: 6

Similarly to what others have said, the Feme’s presence in Germany created more violence and chaos in an already distressed state. The Feme’s whole premise in general guarantees havoc (a group not monitored by the government or monitored in general who could take violent actions at their own discretion), and it did not help that they were uprising at a time when the German government was somewhat unstable and did not have the power they used to.

Also, their roots in the Middle Ages make their ideology and practices seem a little peculiar in (relatively speaking) modern Germany. Fighting for “Utopia” and feeling they represented the “true society”, the movement seems to have a strong spiritual/religious component as well, which I find interesting.

mharrison2012 · Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 5

It looks to me like everyone is in agreement that the Feme, their actions, and their presence in general served to drive Germany further into chaos, so I thought I might focus on the foreshadowing for future events. Like Mikaela said, Fema was fighting for "Utopia" and a "true society," and as many people before me have mentioned, they tried to get it by targeting those who they disagreed with and taking them out at their own discretion. I think that there are parallels that could easily be drawn to between post-Weimar events and the actions of the Feme, and I think it will be interesting to keep reading and see how the public can go from fear and uneasiness regarding the Feme to (in some cases) whole-heartedly supporting leaders with similar goals and methods.

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